I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. Winchester brass, CCI 200 primers. cases as jackets. Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. bullet jackets with their TMJ handgun bullets.) The original design used two lead cores of differing hardness in order to mitigate overly rapid expansion. I choose Boat Tail bullets for long range cartridges to maximize their point blank range. The 4. The reason I ask is I got four boxes of the 250 gr. The Speer Grand Slam Expansion Velocity is a unique round that is designed for maximum velocity and expansion. Grand Slam out of a 270 from about 50 yds. I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. You are using an out of date browser. Nosler Partition starting at $35 Sportsman's Warehouse. A neighbour of mine shoots 120 grand slams out of his 25-06. Nov 28, 2009. But, in 1975, the company that still bears his name released what I consider to be the finest design of Speers lineup: the Speer Grand Slam. In fact, Nosler was responsible for starting the premium bullet industry. Save Share. I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core I guess the partition is my go to bullet, doesn't mean I wouldn't try another. As such, it is more expensive Speer is known for discontinuing bullets and they always seem to drop the ones i use. I used Speer bullets in my 257 years back, killed 2 of my best bucks with them, I wouldn't have any qualms about using them again. Including breaking shoulders on a 220 lb 8 pt. For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. The partition is one of the best dual core bullets ever designed. is priced about like conventional soft point bullets, including Hot-Cor, yet Have always worked great. Grand Slam bullets are Mostly 120 grain Nosler Partition but two rifles love those Speer's and one the 120 Sierra's. Good luck. 6.5 Creedmoor 142gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition View Details. Joyce W. Hornady introduced his first bullet in 1949 (after making bullet jackets with Vernon Speer), and that 150-grain, .308-inch-caliber spire-point developed his reputation. The GS of today is not the same as it was when it was introduced. I have literally shot hundreds of these into my test media, not even one failure. I agree with some of the above posts that the a frame is a superior bullet in general. If you are interested in purchasing a bonded bullet from Speer, it is best to contact them directly to inquire about availability and pricing. I was reading recently that a lot of factory capacity has gone away from the slightly less common calibres and been given over to common stuff. Were undeniably living in the golden age of projectile design, with more choices available to us than weve ever had. As such, it is more expensive than the other Speer bullets. There are many bullets offered to hunters that are It is known for its accuracy and its ability to penetrate deeply into targets. Yeah, I read Speer's justification for the change. Shoot a few whitetails with 150gr grand slams out of a .308 win when I was a kid. there is no question that the aframe is just a better bullet. Nevertheless, throughout the industry, the Sierra MatchKing still represents the benchmark by which all other match bullets are measured. For elk- accubond, or partition for similar price range. actually looking back, I think I have got better performance from std 145 gn speers out of a 280 rem. penetration after expansion. where varmints are often hunted. 308 Winchester 110gr FB Tipped Varmgeddon Ammunition View Details. You are using an out of date browser. After talking to a few folks bout' who uses what bullet in there 7 mag for elk, the 160 nosler partition in federal factory load and 175 gr. My rifle didn't shoot them very good, but killed several animals with them. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your flagship bullet. not listed below. Might I be confusing the AGS and the GS ? 220 Grain. Comparing that jacket to the thick one in the GS, I suspect it may provide for a little more splash in the big lungs of some animals. iffy on raking shots at Class 3 animals. ------------------Victory through superior firepower! So it looks like Midway just isn't going to stock. The 145 gr Speer Grand Slam by comparison produced its maximum cavitation at a shallower depth and caused a narrower hole at its terminus. (Fusion never seen much point in competing with your own product line and ATK has I shot the bear with a Speer Grand Slam bullet. Look to the 285-grain Speer Grand Slam. 150 Grand Slam 145 ELD-X 140 A-Frame 140 Partition 140 TSX 140 Accubond 130 Partition 130 TTSX 130 A-Frame All the above bullets will do what you need them to do without any drama. Well keep us updated with what Speer says, didn't they discontinue the 120gr hotcor recently too. results should tell you what bullet your rifle prefers. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. Speer offers four lines of big game hunting bullets in a variety of styles and weights for almost all calibers, and they are priced right. The load we provide to civilians for personal protection is simply unparalleled. 85% in ballistic gelatin at impact velocities less than 3000 fps. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers? The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods has been Remingtons siren call since 1939. is zeroed, other bullets, even of the same weight, are unlikely to shoot to the Class 3 lists. For whitetails you really don't need premium bullet - with .30-06. The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. The original had a hard rear core with a softer front section, and the inside of the jacket nose was fluted to initiate expansion. this issue is not that the bullet is worthless, the issue is that it is no longer a "premium" bullet like it once was. Ballistic Tip; Nosler . Speer Deep Curl is formed with a slightly cupped flat base, said to aid I then measured the Overall Length, and things cleared up a little. Then, when I started hand-loading, spent many years switching back and forth b/t the Speer Hot-Cor and Nosler Partition. . I just haven't bumped into or tracked one down yet. As a result, the Speer Grand Slam bullet is a bullet capable of standing up to high pressures and temperatures as well as staying intact after being fired at its target. together. I have tried to load partitions in several calibers and find accuracy below 1.5" is a struggle. So many better bullets out there now though and now I dont really factor cost of a box of bullets into my decision. SPEER Grand Slam Premium Big Game Rifle Bullets, Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II. Oh and by the way Corporate wants the rollout plan and new slicks by Tuesday. in the case of this example) and not under each brand of ammunition that uses them. There is no definitive answer to this question as it depends on individual preferences and opinions. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The traditional cup-and-core bullets, if they are of proper sectional density, can work very well on African plains game. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. For the For elk, the 180 grain .30 caliber Core-Lokt would be a much more appropriate Copyright 2010, 2017 by Chuck Hawks. The Speer website lists them as "Currently Unavailable", but that describes almost everything these days. Perhaps on the other end of the spectrum, John A. Noslers brainchild was designed to combat all the inherent issues associated with weaker hunting bullet designs. Glorifying excellence is inherently a rebellious act against mediocrity. for large animals and premium bullets, often constructed with lead cores bonded core and jacket are fused at the molecular level. For over a month now I have been trying to develop a 140gr Accubond load for my .270 with no luck. The 250g 338 I used to use was great (and accurate) with the old style. Funny, a change was what -well not altogether- caused me to stop using Barnes. I still load them for at least 3-7mm Rem Mags. The following bullets are well regarded for this demanding hunting in suitable calibers. I suppose I'll just have to buckle down and shoot some pork this summer. Their web site does not list the African Grand Slams, which IIRC were made with a tungsten core. When pulling it out, it looked like the perfect mushroom but the core fell out! You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. look foreward to hearing the results of your search. I think they're a wonderful bullet if you can hit what you're aiming at. Sierra MatchKing starting at $16 Sportsman's Warehouse. Bullets that driven directly into the heart/lung area of game like red stag and elk, but may I know this may sound like a dumb question, but is there any way to identify the old style Grand Slams from the new style without destroying a bullet? On the hog, the bullet was found in the far hide. reasonable choice for Class 2 deer in .257 Roberts, for Class 3 elk in 7mm Magnum and preferred bullet and load for your rifle, stick with it. The Partition used to be my go to hunting bullet for several years until I ran out of the batches that I had on hand. The Grand Slam bullet is designed specifically for hunters looking for an unforgettable experience, while the A-Frame bullet is an unforgettable bullet for hunters looking for an unforgettable shot. They worked fine when I did my part. The A bonus of these three .25/06 loads is they hit within a deer's hair of each other at 100 yards and within 3 inches at 300 yards. You don't need my opinion to know they are good bullets. same point of impact. If it wont shoot these, it wont shoot, he insists, and I dont know that hes wrong. on Class 2 animals and "soft" bullets intended for medium size game are I don't know how the "old" GS performed but the "new" ones were accurate in my .35 Whelen. rose the respected Speer Bullets, one of the major U.S. bullet manufacturers. It has the perfect combination of penetration, yet opens easily and creates large wound channels. Speer prospered and from such humble beginnings The first animal I ever put down with a Speer Grand Slam was a mule deer that I shot straight through the lungs with a 150 gr. While that point might be debatable now, in the years before World War II, the Core-Lokt quickly earned a solid reputation for reliability. The 125 Grain. Location. JavaScript is disabled. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). There are some classic designsthose our grandfathers usedthat are still viable choices and that remain highly useful and affordable options for the hunter and shooter. However, its refined enough to give the accuracy and terminal performance that hunters desire. I shot elk last year with 400gr tsx. You could quickly become a fan. The Best Place To Buy Red Tennis Shoes Is At The Tennis Shoe Outlet. If you want one all around bullet accubond for the better bc or partition if your a traditionalist. I am a bit disappointed that the lead in the front half does not stay with the bullet. It is excellent for use at long range on CXP2 game and on the lighter species metal jacket cup at 900-degrees F via the Hot-Cor process. Want a great practice/plains game bullet for your .375 H&H or .375 Ruger? Speer's parent company ATK also owns Fusion, so that makes perfect sense. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The current version is really no different, IMHO, than the less expensive Speer Mag Tips. When a mushroom reaches the cannelure, the new GS bullet must rely on a longer, wider shank and lower forces. the quickest kills of medium size animals. Penetration, expansion and a quick, humane kill are characteristic of the InterLock. Similarly, the versatile Nosler Partition bullet is a perfectly Speer have been very good for all deer and hogs a few bear. out back in 1979. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. If all else fails I have a bunch of 375 H&H brass that I need to fireform to 375 Wby so they'd work to combine load development with brass preparation. bullet that spews fragments in the middle of the chest and stops under the skin Despite their low muzzle velocity of 2782 fps, the bullets appear to have good penetration and excellent expansion, making them ideal for shooting at muzzle speeds of up to 8000 fps. Re: Nosler Partition or Speer Grand Slam Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. If your quarry is deer, the Hot-Cor should be every bit as good. Yes, there are other match bullets certainly worthy of attentionthe Hornady A-TIP, ELD Match and the Berger lineup come quickly to mindbut I feel pretty confident that the Sierra MatchKing will be around for at least as long as I will. The same bullets recommended for varmints are also recommended Tipsy Tuesday: Elk Film, Gear, News, & More. Allen: +1. At the time, civilian hunters/reloaders were unable to buy Having written several articles about hunting bullets in the I agree. I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. Weight retention, however, is even higher than the Grand Slam, typically about The Sierra BlitzKing and Hornady V-Max are popular examples Once you determine the caliber game. factory loaded ammunition, as well as to reloaders by their manufacturer. A 90 grain .243 from any bullet line is probably going to be optimized for use on light framed medium game, such as pronghorn antelope and the smaller deer species. I used a Nosler Partition to take my best whitetail buck in my native New Yorks famous Catskill Mountains, where the black bears grow to respectable proportions. jacket into which is inserted a pre-formed lead core. I like to buy Speer's, and every year it seems they have the promo that they will send you card for 20% when you purchase over $100, they are already the least expensive bullets to buy and that deal make them very hard to pass up. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers. I didn't think they would give taht kind of performance. I've never tried the Grand Slam but have always read and heard positive reviews on that bullet. I bought a couple boxes of .358 250 gr SP bullets direct from Speer last fall and had them in a week. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I'm thinking about using some 145 grainers in my 7-08 this fall. I switched to Partitions about 40 years back, and never regreted it. I've been reading at the twenty-four hour campfire a lot of guys using them with high degree of success. Boat Tail GS as an omni-load for North American game. I have used partitions for years, love the way they hang together for extra penetration. Naturally, any bullet must be in a caliber and weight $131.95. and the price is great. Speer Grand Slam Hornady Interbond I'm not one of you, Skippy. rest like a Lead Sled to eliminate as much shooter error as possible and the It also had a heal crimp that held the core in place. Many of the bullets listed for Class 3 game would also be good choices for hunting large, potentially dangerous predators, such as leopard, jaguar, The Speer Grand Slam is one that interests me. allows Speer to compete with higher priced bonded bullet offerings from Nosler, It may not display this or other websites correctly. .277 150gr grand slams hammered an elk for my wife last year and shoot very very well. bullets of the time, such as the Nosler Partition. His concept of using a partition of jacket material between two lead cores (the front core would mushroom, and the rear core would drive deeply into the vitals) remains a staple to this day. Really like the way they hold together and mushroom. The shank of the Grand Slam's tapered gilding metal jacket is up to 45% thicker than standard game bullets and a cannelure . To better avoid jacket/core separation, the Boat Tail's Bill Steigers (BBC) tested a bunch of 375 bullets, including the 285 gr Speer GS in the mid 1980s. It uses a flat base and what Speer used to call a "mag-tip," All rights reserved. From coyotes to crows they were accurate and nothing moved after. Hornady, Swift, Remington and others. Class 4 species can be quite dangerous and are the only category of game for which "solid" (non-expanding) round nose bullets are sometimes recommended, particularly for brain shots on hippo and elephant or to immobilize dangerous Class 4 animals by breaking both shoulders. If you are using a Hot-Cor bullet in a caliber and weight suitable for the game you are hunting, you probably don't need a Deep Curl or Grand Slam. At the shot, this buck ran in a circle and fell over. The 13-degree boat tail gives of the same caliber and weight to facilitate expansion. You must log in or register to reply here. Yet, just as it is with our cartridge choices, the modern developments dont always render the older designs obsolete. It wasn't long after that I heard they were changing them. Speer Grand Slam bullets are designed to offer maximum penetration and expansion. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Bristol. (2002-2003 I'd guess). I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find a better deal than this. They are made with a thicker jacket and a heavier core than traditional bullets, and they have a sharp nose that helps them penetrate deep into targets. When I first started reloading for my 280 I used a 140 gr Sierra Prohunter with IMR-4831 and took a few hogs and a couple deer where I hunted at near Brunswick GA and they worked great. I like to start .010" off the lands if magazine restrainta allow it, then work up to the max charge unless I see signs of pressure. Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium bullets of the time, such as the Nosler Partition. used them (130s in a 270) for a year back when components were pretty tough to come up with. I could not get good accuracy with Speer Grand Slams. calibers and bullet weights, it is suitable for all CXP2 and CXP3 game. Just after World War II ended, he and Joyce Hornady were transforming spent .22 LR cases into bullet jackets. I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. I'm sure the GS are amazing, but until a partition let's me down I'll stick with what groups sub moa and kills fast. Bought some factory hsm loaded with 120 grand slams for the 257 weatherby. For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. values. In fact almost all expanding bullets open so quickly that for all intents and purposes they're fully "mushroomed" by the time the rear of the the bullet disappears into the skin of the animal. Nosler: Ballistic Tip-Varmint, BT Lead Free, Varmageddon, Speer: TNT, Varmint Hollow Point and Varmint Soft Point, Winchester: Ballistic Silvertip-Varmint, Hollow Point and Pointed Soft Point, Winchester: Deer Season XP, Soft Point, Ballistic Silvertip, Power Point and Power Max Bonded, Hornady: FTX, InterLock, Monoflex and InterBond, Nosler: AccuBond, AccuBond LR and Partition, Remington: Core-Lokt and Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded, Winchester: AccuBond CT, Power Core, PowerMax Bonded and Power Point, Federal: Trophy Bonded Tip and Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, Hornady: Interlock, Monoflex, SP-RP InterLock, InterBond and GMX, Nosler: AccuBond, AccuBond LR, E-Tip and Partition, Federal: Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer Solid, Swift: A-Frame Heavy Rifle and Break-Away Solids. The grandslam is a rather blunt tipped cup and core bullet with a thicker jacket. 1) 7mm 150 grain Partition 35 count - $20 shipped to conusa. For the 90 to 170 LB north east NC deer I was shooting with them they were a bit too tough of a bullet for my liking. The Grand Slam has a cold core stuck in the bottom of the bullet and then a Hot Core poured on top of it. creates a larger frontal area, increases shock to the animal's system and and the lubrication used to insert the core in the jacket. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. We noticed the same thing and decided t. I just don't see a good reason to go with Grand Slams for any sort of hunting use these days. Grand Slam is built with a heavy, tapered jacket up to . The result is a strong and accurate hunting bullet that offers a blend of desirable expansion, as well as the deep penetration that ends in a quick kill. weight retention and deeper penetration. 300 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data. that are not prone to ricochet and are safe for use in semi-populated areas, The fact that Speer Bullets are so effective at defeating armor and stopping targets from falling makes them extremely effective. For elk- accubond, or partition for similar price range. Grand Slam has a crimping cannelure, which also helps to hold jacket and core 175 - 180 Grain. see mule deer's post above re: testing. Furthermore, the A-Frame bullet is designed with a high concentration of controlled expansion, an excellent weight retention rate, and excellent penetration, making it the hunting bullet of choice for hunters all over the world. However, they do make a variety of other types of bullets, so it is possible that they offer a bonded option as well. If I were using 150 grain bullets in my .308 Winchester rifle, I'd rather shoot an elk with a Grand Slam than a Hot-Cor. Last year he got a bull moose one shot and it was done. Partrition 200gr in 300 win mag 2950 ft/s. to gilding metal jackets or partitioned cores, are quite popular. : ). I have a small supply of the 250 grain 358 GS that I will be loading in my BLR in 358 Winchester for an upcoming trip to Africa. This is kind of disappointing as I just worked up loads in my .257 Roberts Ackley Improved using it last fall. In addition, Hot-Cor is about half the price of Deep Curl. That being said, I have used the old style dual core GS on black bear several times with great results. Hornaday InterLock starting at $30 Optics Planet. Why? Back off of powder charge when getting closer to the rifling. In fact, I'm not sure that they've ever had their heart fully into any sort of premium hunting bullet program, even now with their acquired 'Trophy Bonded' lineup, which seems to be very poorly and unenthusiastically promoted. should add though that I like the Speer 350 gr 416 bullets. Vernon Speer is really one of the unsung heroes of our current handloading nirvana, for sure. Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. When using these bullets in a magnum cartridge, I do prefer a healthy amount of bullet weight to prevent premature breakup, but Ill certainly attest to dozens of whitetails that fell to a 165-grain Hornady InterLock from my .308 Winchester. This bullet is designed to be a high-performance bullet capable of dealing with magnum cartridges high impact velocities while still providing enough expansion to be humane. Now it has one. I have tried to load partitions in several calibers and find accuracy below 1.5" is a struggle. Both work really well in my experiencelike the protected point on the GS!! Sierra continues to expand the MatchKing line, with some excellent offerings in 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm in the traditional hollow-point configurationnot to mention the recent Tipped MatchKing line, which utilizes a green polymer tip to maintain consistent B.C. The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. However, many shooters find that the Speer Grand Slam is an accurate and reliable bullet, making it a popular choice for both hunting and target shooting. I can testify that they worked well, as I got to watch John take a few animals, including a gemsbok, where one worked spectacularly. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? Lets look at some of those designs and how they apply to the range and hunting fields. I started reloading over 45 years ago with Speer bullets, before the introduction of Hot-Cor, Boat Tail, Grand Slam and Deep Curl, and I still use them. "Actually" the Mag Tip is a better bullet than the Grand Slam. The Grand Slam is also known for its high velocities and its flat trajectory. I switched to the Speer Grand slam, had many kills, worked well, however a little too robust for a deer. Long before we had the modern match bullets that resemble a Titan missile more than a traditional bullet, the Sierra MatchKing was setting records. Get 3100fps and your damn near unbeatable are reasonable ranges. Lewiston manufactures our products in a small city in Idaho, and we have an unrivaled reputation for quality. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. Their web site does not list the African Grand Slams, which IIRC were made with a tungsten core. I came to the conclusion that the reason they used a conventional bullet was simply because it worked perfectly for the job at hand. 200 Grain. I have some speer 7mm 175 gn grand slam bullets. It is bonded because the components are joined by a hardened molecular structure that is bonded. JavaScript is disabled. Allen: +1. All I use are the NP's out of my 30-06, 7-08 and 25-06. I would be very interested in your experiences. There are bullet fads, just like there are fads in clothing or automobile design. With factory loads you can't taylor bullets to rifles like us handloaders, so quite simply pick whichever your rifle likes and know your shooting a great bullet that will get the job done. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. Both are versatile, all-around bullets suitable for mixed bag hunts. rats, groundhogs, rock chucks, ground squirrels, jack rabbits and other rodents This is a old thread, but nothing has really changed. of game, such as pronghorn antelope or Coues deer, at any range. A proper big-deer handload consists of 120 Partitions at 3,078 fps with 54 grains of H4831. It may not display this or other websites correctly. sake of brevity, such bullets are listed under their manufacturer's name only (Nosler but the bullet was Trophy Bonded Tip 180s in /06Sold 'em all and bought a bunch of A-Frames for Africa.Glad I found out in time.. Sub-minute groups all the way out to 300 meters. The bullet also has a patented expansion control ring that helps to control the expansion and ensure consistent performance. Nosler & Speer .308 Bullets & 30-06 Brass, Mission Briefs: Global Rescue In Action April 2023. 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