Chris Lambert: There was a man climbing her trellis and trying to get inside her balcony, very intoxicated and refusing to leave. They left me there and knock on my moms door really hard and then ran off, Jane, who is telling her story for first time, said. RUBEN FLORES: [long pause] We never asked that question. I remember thinking he was right behind me in the doorway and I think he was trying to get to the door before I could shut it., Sarah said she was quickly manhandled by Flores. He invoked the Fifth Amendment 27 times. The only thing that she remembered next was being dragged in the barely lit street by her alleged rapist on one arm and his pal on the other. Chris Lambert spoke with some women who knew Flores back then. 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I always said, He wouldnt do that., Sexually, Laura paints Paul Flores as very experienced and maintaining a very healthy appetite., It would get too aggressive and at times I had to say, Hey, calm down., Laura says that one time they were wrestling in bed and Flores got too aggressive and grabbed a butter knife and pushed it against my face., She says she kept pleading for him to settle down. In the months after Kristin's disappearance, one truck was traded in and the other was reported stolen. In Southern California, investigators served a search warrant at Paul Flores' San Pedro home. Murphy has filed a new civil suit against Ruben Flores for the intentional infliction of emotional distress. Jonathan Vigliotti: She had just 40 yards to go and yet she vanished. James Murphy: If it was, in fact, a piece of jewelry that matched Kristin's jewelry, it would have been blockbuster evidence. She was last seen alive with Paul Flores, a classmate who offered to walk an inebriated Smart to her room. Lindsey Smart Stewart: She definitely, like, took advantage of life, seized the day she was super ambitious and was determined you know, to find the next adventure. Arroyo Grande High School graduate Paul Flores was the last person to see Kristin Smart on the night she disappeared. I was throwing up and they were saying Oh this bitch! and This bitch better not throw up on me.. Jonathan Vigliotti: What toll over time did this have on your parents? I told her I didn't I didn't want to go. Paul Flores and his father both pleaded not guilty to all charges at their arraignment. They took off running, Jane said. It had been the focus of widespread speculation for more than two decades especially her planter boxes. During the search, a cadaver dog showed interest in a 1985 Volkswagen Cabriolet, which is currently registered to Ruben and Susan Flores. This video shows the full deposition given by Paul Flores to the Smart family's attorney, James R. Murphy on November 14, 1997. James Murphy: It was just a sad phone call to have somebody say, our daughter disappeared and we think she's the victim of foul play and we'd like to pursue the guy that we think is responsible. He later argued that the biological evidence found under the deck was not conclusively human blood. Often, Sarah would be at one party or another and there was Flores. And for the first time clues about what may have happened to Kristin Smart. By this point Sarahs ex-boyfriend arrived and he and his friends scared Flores and his pal, trying to make sure they never showed their faces again. D.A. This episode goes over immunity offers, legal docs, letters, Paul's elusive Sister Ermelinda and Susan Flores compla. 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And so, she pulled me into this sort of like, "oh come on, let's socialize. Chris Lambert: Paul worked with a number of women that he made incredibly uncomfortable girls who he tried to make a pass at sexually, girls that he tried to force to kiss him. Paul Flores, 44, of San Pedro, was charged with murder, while his 80-year-old father faces a felony charge of being an accessory to a crime. Despite Flores sporting a black eye the next day (which he admitted to investigators he lied about) and despite police dogs picking up the scent of human decay in his dorm room, Flores was never charged. Chris Lambert, who worked as a CBS News consultant, pieced together what he learned from people who were there that night. SHERIFF IAN PARKINSON [at press conference]: Forensic physical evidence was located. It wasn't until Kristin's roommate returned to their dorm room, that Margarita realized Kristin never came home. Hope this brings an end to all these years wondering where she was. It's fine. If convicted, Paul, who has remained in custody since his arrested, faces a sentence of 25 years-to-life in prison. Kristin Smart was declared legally dead in May 2002. Since speaking with The Daily Beast, at least one of the women who has come forward saying Flores attacked her has been questioned by a detective working the Smart case. And she was growing as an individual. Im good, he said in response to questions about Smarts disappearance. PODCAST | EPISODE 1: At least once a day I asked myself what are you doing? The woman, whom well call Jane, believes she was roofied, raped, and discarded by Paul Flores and his nameless friend when she was a 15-year-old high-school sophomore in 1994. She didn't think that was OK. Some of those women who did not want their real names used told Lambert about their encounters with him. Those were kind of unspoken things. Not to be a cynic but the Republican DA faces a BLM challenge from an increasing Berkeley-esque electorate. Paul Flores was the key witness in the 1996 disappearance of Kristin Smart. An earring that appeared to match the necklace Kristin is wearing on the billboard. He gets his arm around her torso and her arm around his neck, and he's helping her walk. Lindsey Smart Stewart: "You should go to Cal Poly. James Murphy: Somebody found an earring that they say was Kristin Smart's jewelry in the driveway. But the Flores's have fought back, suing the Smarts for intentional infliction of emotional distress. By the time Cal Poly police began investigating, Kristin had been gone for four days. Chris Lambert: They did a significant amount of digging underneath the house. Any evidence that might have been there was long gone. JAMES MURPHY: In May of 96 were you a student at Cal Poly? At the time, they did not know about a missing college student. Early on, a small group of volunteers also looked for Kristin. Authorities served another search warrant at Paul Flores home in April 2020. San Luis Obispo County Sheriff deputies arrested Paul Flores, the primary suspect in the disappearance of Kristin Smart, and his father, Ruben Flores, at separate locations Tuesday morning. They had become close friends despite their differences. There is new hope for answers in the murder mystery of Stockton native Kristin Smart. Thomas did not testify during the preliminary hearing nor has she been called yet as a witness during fer father and brothers murder trial currently underway in Salinas. It is also what the Smarts have been waiting for for more than a quarter of a century. PODCAST EPISODE 5: If you were making a film about a new law enforcer who's coming to a small town to save the day, you'd probably cast Parkinson. But Sarah kneed Flores in the groin and kicked him in the shin before dashing off into the party. Laura said Flores worked a construction job while attending school but that he was very secretive and she suspected he was in college forever so that his mommy kept paying for his housing and classes.. Chris Lambert: That's the upsetting part about it, isn't it? D.A. One of his friends had told authorities that Flores already had a black eye when he showed up to play in a pick-up game. Then, in 2011, Ian Parkinson was elected sheriff. The Smart family sued Flores in 1996 in an attempt to get some answers in civil court about their daughter, but Flores took the fifth amendment. Ermelinda Macarthur currently lives in Kenmore, WA; in the past Ermelinda has also lived in Long Beach CA, Arroyo Grande CA and Bothell WA. And it all came back to me. The duplex was located up the same street from where her mom resided. Jonathan Vigliotti | CBS News correspondent: You wanted to go home, and you were trying to find a way to break it to your friend. Ruben's attorney, Harold Mesick, dismissed the evidence against his client as "so minimal as to shock the conscience.". A single woman's earring. They took in soil, I assume, for some kind of analysis. And I was, like, "uh OK, fine.". every piece of evidence points directly at Paul Flores. Thats how we metI was walking and he pulled over and said to me Hey, Ill take you to school, she remembered Flores asking her. He was soon released from custody. Paul Flores Nationality, Ethnicity. His father Ruben Flores charged with being an accessory after the factwas found not. However, Paul (and Ruben) can still say if youre so smart, wheres the body? Susan Flores continues with her book project chronicling her familys victimization. Critics called. D.A. Margarita Campos: To this day, like, I was like, why why did I just let her go by herself? When they showed up, it was Paul Flores. The first alleged incident occurred in 1994 when a woman accused Flores, then a high school sophomore is accused of drugging a raping a fellow student. James Murphy: I'm not at liberty to describe how it was documented. Paul Flores was the key witness in the 1996 disappearance of Kristin Smart. Ruben lived here with his wife, Susan, and their children, Ermelinda and Paul. There's no question about it. Margarita Campos: She was absolutely sober when I left her. His father, Ruben, is charged as an accessory, accused of helping cover up the crime. James Murphy: The question for decades was "Well, where did the body go?". The lawsuit claims they were moving Kristin's remains. Get off her.. October 22, 2022 / 10:10 PM A now-retired FBI agent believes those remains were once buried at the home of Floress mother. In the meantime, Paul Flores moved to Southern California, where he bounced from job to job. How could she have gone out of town? Our main goal is to bring Kristin Smart home to her family and end this madness for you and your family. There is no doubt in my mind., Those sentiments were echoed by Denise Smart who told Fox40 in May 2018, Paul Flores is without question the perpetrator to this crime. Thew newspaper adds that the Navy refused to take Flores because of his connection to the Smart case. READ NEXT: Teenage Porn Star Controversy Rocks California High School, Paul Flores: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. but I knew that I could try to do a small part. It was updated on October 22, 2022.). Murphy and Sinclair promised the Smarts the billboard will stay until their daughter is found. Mary Lassiter says the earring she found in the driveway matched the necklace Kristin Smart is seen wearing on this billboard. James Murphy: The podcast is out. I was lying down on my back. Chris Lambert: They just have never given up and are never going to give up on their daughter. Classes were difficult, she was trying to fit in, and she missed her family. Cookie Notice I remember being home watching the news about Kristin Smart and there goes Paul, she recalled. JAMES MURPHY: Does your son have any information as to where Kristin Smart's body is located? Flores and Smart had spoken at the party she had attended, witnesses said. Kristin Smart was dropped in the dumpster and she is in the landfill. Because of the statute of limitations, Dow says, Paul Flores can't be charged with rape. Facebook 0 Twitter LinkedIn 0 Reddit Tumblr Pinterest 0 0 Likes. They also did not focus on Paul Flores immediately, waiting six days to formally interview him. In October 2022, Paul Flores, the man long suspected in her disappearance, was found guilty of murder. If you do not want to take this offer now it will not be offered to you again and things will be used against you., He goes on to say in the letter that is not dated but referenced by Galambos that Paul will soon be in a position of needing to tell law enforcement his story and that the case will be solved soon., You can be the one who is responsible for ending this nightmare for everyone and move on with your life. In the crowd, taking it all in, was that podcaster, Chris Lambert. And while they did not rush to investigate Flores, Kristin's family says campus police were very quick to judge her. Chris Lambert: Around the time Kristin disappeared, they cut out planter boxes in the backyard, so they cut out big chunks of concrete and filled it in with soil. IF you knew your family member was out raping girls? The Charley Project goes on to say that Flores would regularly drink heavily and that he was not popular among the student body. Flores wasn't talking. Denise Pearce says that was a crushing blow for the Smart family. However hard she and her father fought back, there was no chance they were going to get beyond the he said, she said. I was drunk and he had a witness and I didnt, Jane said. Doesnt sound plausible. Produced by Lisa Freed. Like the Smart's civil case, theirs also has been on hold. And they told Lambert they weren't surprised when they heard about Flores's connection to Kristin's disappearance. JAMES MURPHY: Your husband have information as to where Kristin Smart's body is located? Like the rest of the family, Kristin was an athlete. Jane said she kept this secret for yearseven from her husband. People are watching Ruben Flores and Susan Flores and Paul Flores. Denise Smart told the Examiner in 1998, Were not after Paul Flores; were not trying to persecute Paul Flores. As they soon learned, she had ended up at a party at an off-campus house. The report said, citing police records, that Flores had a black eye on the day after Smarts disappearance. He returned later that Friday night and they drove to his friends home which Jane described as sparely furnished. PAUL FLORES: On the advice of my attorney, I refuse to answer that question based on the fifth amendment of the United States Constitution. Margarita Campos: I was, like, "Kristin, I'm going to go back home. Back in May 1996, Kristin Smart was finishing her freshman year at California Polytechnic State University better known as Cal Poly. Chris Lambert: He actually hit his eye on his steering wheel in the middle of the night while changing his stereo. Jonathan Vigliotti: Is there any doubt in your mind that Paul Flores is responsible for the disappearance of Kristin Smart? Chris Lambert: As they describe it, Paul Flores just sort of appears out of nowhere. It's just a motivator for me. James Murphy: They brought in the first dog and they'd had the dog go through the dorms. The letter sent to Thomas by San Luis Obispo County Sheriffs Detective Clint Cole, which was part of the documents Monterey County Superior Court Judge Jennifer OKeefe has allowed to be released, explains that Cole has been working on the Kristin Smart case for more than two years. He was seeing someone on the side who he called his friend, she said. PODCAST EPISODE 2 [LAMBERT READING REPORT] Smart does not have any close friends at Cal Poly. Jonathan Vigliotti: How did you know she hadn't been back? And she's like, "please come with me. But Paul Flores remained behind bars help without bail. "Me, my sister, my cousinPaul has no limits," she said, requesting anonymity. They're known for being a really safe school.". Devastating. She spent a summer in London, was an exchange student in Venezuela, and a lifeguard at a camp in Hawaii. I could not imagine being his mother. Paul is charged with murder in connection with the 1996 disappearance of Cal Poly student Kristin Smart. He was staring at my face looking at me and he was enjoying himself.. Investigators are currently digging under Rubin Flores home in another apparent attempt to find the missing teens body. Now. Ann-Marie Christian: She was who she was because of her parents, for sure. The Smart's attorney James Murphy, and his wife and office manager Garin Sinclair, have had Kristin's billboard in their front yard since late 1997. James Murphy: they let the dog in, the dog makes a beeline to the bed of Paul Flores. Lambert said in January 2019, I believe that Paul Flores is responsible for her death and I believe that he knows where she is currently located. What's going on? or even her keys. Chris Lambert: I didn't know the scale. You wouldn't let any of your friends be drunk around him. Chris Lambert: They're hopeful, but they've also been let down so many times before. In 2007, Flores had a DUI case dismissed in Los Angeles County Superior Court. Have a good day, he said. I dont like to talk about that day.. James Murphy: To see them in custody was a feeling of great joy for me. Paul Flores has long been the lone suspect in Smarts disappearance. And there were those nonstop tales of Flores being touchy-feely with her friends. Susan's house was finally searched in March 1997 nine months after Kristin disappeared but nothing was found. The Kristin Smart disappearance: After 26 years, Paul Flores is convicted of murder. And Murphy and Sinclair believe they can prove it. And the complaint has some explosive claims about what led investigators to focus under Ruben's deck in the first place. Chris Lambert was just 8 years old when Kristin Smart vanished on her way home from a college party in San Luis Obispo, California. Back in 1996, with classes finished before the long Memorial Day weekend, Smart, a 19-year-old California Polytechnic State University, San . Instead, Flores and his family were sued in 2002 by the Smarts in civil court for intentionally inflicted emotional distress upon the parents of Kristin Smart by taking the body of Kristin Smart and secreting and/or destroying the body in a hidden place in the County of San Luis Obispo. The Flores family countersued for emotional distress. Both suits were shelved by a judge until Smarts remains are found. Her dorm entrance is right over here. The Daily Beast report says that Flores is accused of having an accomplice in the crime. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Please come with me." Flores was among those students and was the last to see Smart alive. In November 2019, supporters of Smarts family held a vigil outside of Susan Flores home, the San Luis Obispo Tribune reported at the time. He's going to find her body, which is awful for a parent. PODCAST EPISODE 4: At 8 a.m. on June 19th, 2000, a team of sheriff's investigators knocks on the front door of Susan Flores's East Branch Street home. Chris Lambert and it worked. By the time they called the Cal Poly campus police, Kristin had been missing for more than 48 hours. so eventually he unlocked you know, the apartment door, and I left. Nothing in this portion of the documents states Thomas accepted the offer of immunity or provided any information to authorities. Through the years, the Smarts have kept pressure on the Flores family. They continued to bungle the case for a month, not properly interviewing Paul Flores or other witnesses and never searching his room. Approximately a dozen San Luis Obispo and Los Angeles county deputies descended Wednesday morning on the home of Paul Flores, a suspect in the 1996 disappearance of Cal Poly freshman Kristin. Laci Peterson had also been a student at Cal Poly. JAMES MURPHY: Do you have any information as to where Kristin Smart's body is located? She did not walk away and dig herself a grave. She was gone. Ms. Thomas informs me that she was never a witness to any crime, nor did she hear the defendants speak about any crimes.. She left them only after he promised to take Kristin back to her dorm. In high school he was known as a loner. In a civil lawsuit, the Smarts' attorney claims that Kristin's remains were buried at one time on Paul Flores' father's property. Sheriff Ian Parkinson was able to confirm that forensic physical evidence that authorities believe is linked to Kristin was located at, at least two homes. DAN DOW [press conference]: It is alleged that Mr. Flores caused the death of Kristen Smart while in the commission of or attempted rape. And he leaves her to walk up this walkway. That mother, Mary Lassiter, described it to Chris Lambert. DAN DOW [press conference]: We have evidence that we do believe there are other people that are not yet identified that have had some kind of a criminal act perpetrated on them by Mr. Flores. Cal Poly student, Kristin Smart, went missing in 1996. Cal Polys only interest was in a coverup. Meanwhile, the FBI, who recently excavated earth at Cal Poly to look for Smarts remains, referred comment to the sheriffs office. I would hear many of my friends tell me Oh he grabbed my butt but I never believed them, Laura said. James Murphy: That suggests that something bad happened in Paul Flores's dorm room. I was like It wasnt. These new allegations against Paul Flores are very troubling and deserve to be thoroughly investigated. After Smart's disappearance, the car was transferred into their parent's names. Paul and Ruben were arrested and charged in connection with Kristins death in April 2021. suddenly major pieces of evidence came forward. 0:41. All the news reports conveniently ignore Cal Polys obstruction in their timelines. I guess the answer is yes. Ruben faces a maximum of three years in jail. Whenever we find more information about his family then we update this information. Her younger sister Lindsey says their mother urged Kristin to go there. He promised the Smarts that solving Kristin's case would be a priority. Lambert says Kristin could not stand on her own, so fellow student Cheryl Anderson who was also at the party began helping her back to campus. But it's Susan Flores's concrete backyard that initially received a lot of attention. Jonathan Vigliotti: Is this a case that takes a miracle to solve? Kristen was last seen leaving a party with Paul Flores on the night of her disappearance on May 25, 1996. She never saw accepting the rides as anything but wholesome. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. 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