Thanks for the guys who give chance for better value and access to minis that I will never otherwice will be able to buy. When GW sells the same models in Australia for 60-90% more than the US for no good reason it is hard to feel sorry for them. produce in the country you sell in and not in china.. then we can talk until then you get what you deserve! There are precedents in Russia where local manufacturers took re casters to court and won damages, so it isnt an issue of legal vacuum in those countries, its inability or non willingness to pursue action. But I can spend 25-30 on a recast and its perfect first time. We see three key points to avoid these false copies: And if after reading this article you want to do something positive about this, its quite easy actually. But imo GW are flogging its customers for all its worth while things are good. I look forward to you trying that defence in court. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. And I do not buy the excuse hey, this is an expensive hobby. Age of Sigmar is more popular than WFB was. A regular in national events wherever they are, huge advocate of hobbying with good beer and friends ;). Thats the total cost for them, packaging, payroll, the lot. One must ask whats in the customers best interest? GW rant incoming: I agree with buying recasts only when it is GW. A check of their website shows that it is indeed down, and from the looks of it not coming back. Its even happened with the newer hobbit resin models that are supposedly of better quality (its nowhere near forgeworld quality). Do they, as a British company, utilize only products designed, produced, and bought within British home-island territory? How many of us would not be hobbyists if it wasnt for our local GW? Prisons are filled with thieves. In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. You stole the right to use that miniature in your games, to paint it and to present it to your friends IRL or on social media. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. Yes, this is a business for me, my only job since 25 years, the way I have to pay my bills and keep doing what I love. Yes. Prices go up. While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. Even so, this work is not enough to come even close to the original. You guys do a great job on this site/blog. that is a crap attitude, and glad I dont know you and have anything to do with you. These illegal copies are either found in the second hand market or directly by those looking for a 70% discount or more. But in the past 2 years their stock has sky rocketed. The other aspect is quality of product, I know a lot of LoTR players would rather buy metal recasts from ebay rather than finecast versions of originally metal models from gw (basically all the elite troops were switched from metal to finecast when finecast first came out, so its not even the improved finecast). And what about the companies (from small to big) that produce miniatures based on comics/movies/books/games/characters/ without paying for a license? There are sticky areas and others that are shiny showing where the resin has not properly cured because of a bad preparation mixture. We are always keen to ensure continuous improvement of our processes, so you will be involved in researching and identifying new ways for Games Workshop to approach infringing and counterfeit product removal and implementing improvements to the infringements process.. We just make claims. I totally understand the problem with stolen IP and that the problem must be addressed, but I would also say that in regards to out of production miniatures that in economic terms GW are not providing what the market wants, so the market is finding alternative ways to provide it, unfortunately these arent legal, but on the other hand this is an avoidable situation for GW. Manufacturer SCALE 75 minis, have put their foot down and advocated an anti-piracy message into the hobby world. You aren't allowed to use recasts in a GW store, for one (though depending on the quality, people might not notice). 1. Recasting can come out of any country, I can think of at least seven countries from which recasters regularly produce illegal copies. Now we have to spend 40 on a family trip to the cinema. Recommended Products For The Miniatures Hobby! P.O. Recasting isnt a side effect of greedy companies, I have known some companies unable to meet rent and worse still some have gone out of business. It's generally frowned upon. For the sake of this report, we have acquired a couple of Chinese illegal recasts as well as their respective originals, and we are going toshow you in detail why there is no point at all in buying these pieces of bad plastic. Despite asking them to send me the fake Venator model, they sent me the normal fake Tauros model, a shorter version than the one I requested. A lot of resin has to be removed, rectified and even replaced with putty. Manage Settings Personally I would like to see new players pick it up and have the hobby flourish. I will always buy the original product when I can, but Im also going to buy high quality recasts for models that I need multiples of. Illegal sellers proliferate on second-hand portals, ebay, e-mail contacts and even mobile aplications for peer to peer trading. Bollocks. A quick check of eBay appeared to turn up way fewer listings for Forge World than last week at this time. Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. [] a subject which rears its head quite regularly. And I firmly put the blame into the hands of piracy aka stealing. Unfortunately, the quality of their products leaves much to be desired. Whats the actual law being broken when purchasing a recast? Sure, theyre making each box manually. I also dont really care that much, GW killed warhammer fantasy so I dont mind if they get whats coming to them. I have also had some which are close if not flawless. This really rips ma knitting this! You know what happens? The first company produces models that are far better sculpts and casts than the second. We pay so that the company we like so much is able to surpriseus again in the future with yet another piece to continue enjoying our hobby. What companies are u using for recasts? If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. Why, then, does FW (who run a much smaller operation, fewer employees, use silicon moulds rather than the hundred thousand pound plastic ones) charge 40 for a box of 10 Krieg Troopers? This would be paradoxal. The difficult thing is to develop a miniature from scratch, starting with an idea that begins with just a few pencil strokes on paper. I need some of the bigger suits for my tau and they are pretty expensive so I would most likely turn to a recast. This sort of effect makes even more sense in model games, particularly WH. Tripling the quarterly profits isnt exactly telling me that they are covering costs and slowly expanding. See our, and recently hired an infringements assistant. FWs resin is also crap and brittle, not sure what your point is there. These artists work hard. Youre obviously not using a good recaster, also you havent mentioned the cheap cost of resin and how much profit is made on resin models. GW can produce, package, sculpt, advertise etc a box of Cadian Shock Troops for 20. The surfaces are very rough, have lots of pores and bubbles, there are important burr steps or details covered by extra resin. So as far as Im concerned welcome to freakin reality; where everything is as shodily made as they can get away with and consumers will seek in the inevitable tug of war to get the most value for the very sacrifice of their lives for the slim hope that they might spend some of it in enjoyable repast. We pay for quality in finishes and materials, and the most important ofall: Spikey Bits is a site about the hobby of tabletop wargaming. Case in point: One miniature, slightly more detailed than a normal marine: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Games-Workshop-Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Commander/107298737?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1239&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=1019313&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113137378&wl11=online&wl12=107298737&wl13=&veh=sem Whos being the thief? Shortcuts: "C" opens comments. I wouldnt take a recast even if someone gives it to me for free. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. GW greed and agressive copyright protection has no sympathy in my hart, not to mention rule changing every year and leaving youngsters out of hobby due to pricing. the books are out there the rules are out there, it would be like if Monopoly was suddenly no longer made every one knows the rules and can build their own board quit being GW fan boys they dont give a shit about you. You stole it. CCoN has lower inventory variety and higher cost, but he's cheapest when he has a sale and it's really good quality. After what number model those artists are paid ? And we wouldnt want you to go through that. Someone mentioned looked at Rackham games as if recasts are why they went out of business. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. Genestealer Cult, Ad Mech & Eldar Top The 40k Army Lists. Hell, 5 years ago they were barely with 10 dollars a share. Cant have it both ways, either strict on piracy or not. Salaries of their employees are probably atrociousand, above all, they undermine the business of proper companies endangering their countinuity. u go to china to get the product made why do you deserve protection from western copy right laws ? Ive never bought a re-cast and never will. Virginia Restless, Miniature Painter & Cat Dad. Try to pay a good concept designer, a good sculptor, a good painter for box art, than doing promotion, pay tax, location, bills and what else and dont forget you need to have profit for time and risk you took. If you are honestly trying to peddle such nonsense as recast being better than originals you are either seriously deluded or an outright liar! Continue with Recommended Cookies, A major recaster in China is closing up shop after being contacted by Games Workshop regarding their Warhammer. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. Everyone knows about them. Maybe it will work for them but I think they are pushing away many potential newcomers to the hobby which is the future. Many RPG fans turn a blind eye to PDFs from defunct publishers, but studiously pay for legitimate PDFs from current publishers seeing the former as preserving the history of the hobby. As in Id pay the IP holder for this if a legit copy was available, but since the company is gone/author is dead/etc. Judge yourselves. And when issues of copyright are at stake, it fascinates me how Nuts planets are ripping off HBO with game of thrones piracy, yet they are the most in vogue celebrated manufacturer. You will create reports for the business to be discussed at monthly infringement meetings. Greedy company? Recast companies will be making more profit than the small indies as they dont have any other costs. If you dont have the money to afford models, dont buy them. From the beginning thought of a new model in their head to putting it on paper, and into real life. even once all my returns have been replaced by forgeworld the model is still of a lower quality than the recast. But some of our niche names might disappear over night. My FLGS is not GW. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. If I had to choose between paying my electricity bill or having a dread saurian , its crystal clear. All of my recasts are better quality that forgeworkd or other manufacturers. We are talking about recasts: illegal copies of miniatures. Did you complain about the Starbucks/Amazons/other tax dodgers? Sorry, I do not. Many other companies offer products as good as theirs or even better for a lower price. The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. They were producing beautiful miniatures (crazy complicated game) but they were cut the margins too thinly. Game workshops prophit have been that big that instead of making their models cheaper for their customers they gave their staff a 2 thousand pounds bonus ( tax purposes) so boo hoo if the greedy fuckers are losing in the grand scale of things pocket change. Unconditionally passionate about our hobby, Norberto lvarez has been in love with figures and static modeling since he was 11 years old. Save Money On All These Alternative Miniatures. Famous search engines of Chinese products show easily references of companies like Andrea Miniatures, Nocturna Models, Young Miniatures, Knight Models, and many others. DVD prices havent gone down. @Greg smith : Everyone before me has already said what is correct. Its come to a point that, as I said before, this damage can only be prevented by us, the consumers. 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Despite every measure taken, with the evolution of websites and social networks, recasting has become nearly unstoppable. I say choose wisely and ALWAYS go with the origin of the art if possible. And thats what will happen if recasts become a thing. In addition, as you will see later, the casting is not good and irregular surfaces of material are very evident. I myself am very pro recast, that being said maybe 5-10% of my models are recast. I have no remorse whatsoever for GW. It is our mission to bring you the latest from the miniature wargaming scene, from narrative missions, hobby how-to tutorials, battle reports, unboxings and reviews, retro flashbacks, news, rumors, and more. Enjoy the hobby, dislike the business practices. We exploit our environment by our very nature and capitals need for constant continual acceleration in exploitation was never sustainable to start with. Recasting gives these filthy companies a taste of their own medicine. Box 2225Southern Pines, NC 28387United States of America. Imo it tells me that they severely overprice their products for maximum GP. Let explain with the simple aim of making you understand it the true depth of your act. No it is killing the cinema. The analogies used are baseless. Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as$6 a month on Patreon! And people have stopped going because why spend 20 on a family trip to the cinema (10 years ago) when you can get the movie for free. Not because GW has a better product, but because GW will sue the crap out of anyone who makes a model that looks similar to a GW model. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. I would say though that what you talk about is a different topic to what we are discussing in this post. FJ was developed by a multicultural team of various beliefs. Dont get confused. This is How to Play The Conquest Nords Army Faction, Final Changes Are Here For 9th Edition 40k: Balance Datasheet, Good Luck Getting The New Lion, Dante or Azrael 40k Models Now. And a very recent case of IP theft in Spain as you mention has brought this into the spotlight, but we havent found the time yet to properly talk about this very important matter. Suffer in the worst way possible. . When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. Mainly Forgeworld and resin copies of Games Workshop plastic kits. Lately all brands have seen how our creations are being reproduced illegally and without any scruples in a massive way. Here in Spain we call it Chinoforge, the one that pretty much everyone has heard of. Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. A quick check of eBay appeared to turn up way fewer listings for "Forge World" than last week at this time. clearly you have no idea about running a business you think that when you buy a model you pay just for resin ? https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/. As much as I loved the action parts of the 10th edition cinematic, Guilliman's speech was an underrated highlight that goes harder than some might not have realized because it constantly cuts between his speech and badass action. What a bad argument. Ought I go back to whipping them, or should they be permitted to return to working in the fields? #22 to #20 - manollette . Find, rate and share the best memes and images. Not me. If you plan on punishing players (and I mean PUNISH them) when you compare what you offer for what other reasonable vendors offer, you find re-castes are a result of your own actions. I would agree with most of the points expressed in the comments, that the moral analysis of recasting begins and ends at theft. We havent got a global Netflix style service with all movies available. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_9',634,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Mix Your Paint In Seconds! We arent saying you shouldnt buy alternate versions of models that you can use in your tabletop games. It looks all of you here have enough money to afford 300 pounds a month to spend on models. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. Here's his speech in full to read all at once. OUR EXISTENCE IS IN DANGER! I mean even though its hella shady its much easier to just buy a cheaper version of the model even if its a knockoff. However, basically its the same piece, without any add-ons, so it works to do the comparison. There was a demand so the pirates appeared they sell cheaper and often better quality. Not the original miniature companies. Ive never bought from a recaster, but I know many who do. Now it raise an other thing literally pissing me off if I may, due to that misinformation, we legit hobbyist/painters in China are also punished with blatant racism by most of the European brands (especially those from Spainsorry guys). Games Workshop wont disappear. Reporting to our Senior Legal Counsel, you will be part of our Legal team which handles a wide range of legal matters which affect Games Workshop including infringements, trade mark and copyright protection, competitions, dispute resolution and litigation, to name but a few! Take these smaller companies making stunning models for half the price or even less, how is that possible? Of course, cheaper things are always more attractive, but it comes back to the principle of supporting your local business. Warhammer fantasy was half my life and then they did this to me.. fuck them. My FLGS has 20 tables filled with terrain whereas the GW has two tables in a tiny store away from any major shopping areas. The recasts I buy are better quality and for what I would 80 quid for from forge world I can buy from China for 20 dollars including delivery. Quality and durability is a real issue with their resin, Ive had several LoTR finecast models break on me while gaming far too easily, usually on fine detail or blades thats near impossible to effectively fix. At a glance, recasts appear quite similar, but when looked at closely, important flaws become evident. 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